Xi was definitely not the first to do so. ... All data are estimates for 2021. A cold war would begin with radical decoupling … The Biden administration has been refreshingly, and somewhat surprisingly, direct and blunt about Russia and China. And unfortunately it seems the US has learned nothing From battling the VC and NVA in Vietnam. If it wants to avoid war and win the comprehensive confrontation with China, the US has to take different initiatives and deeply reform itself to match and surpass China’s achievements. Remember China has interferred with the US elections and that now is an act of war. But a point for consideration is that the US is in some respects the world's remaining superpower after the cold war. This is not the Mao era. This is a mutually destructive economy shift. not to mention nuke deterrents, high powered lasers, and railguns. Everyone outside of China, and many inside China, already know the government is corrupt. Attention! A U.S.-China cold war would not be like the U.S.-Soviet one, which was largely military and ideological. A place to discuss the subreddit that is /r/Sino This is why OBOR, the SCS dispute, the "Taiwan issue," finding alternative energy sources, etc. Press J to jump to the feed. This is the wrongest post in Reddit history. I was thinking India will probably end up being the deciding nation if it picks a side. However, China still retains tense relations with India, a country with a comparably huge population but only one-quarter of the gross domestic product, from which China … What Fun! It looks like a war might be on the horizon. But China and the U.S. both have a lot to lose from war, so it would seem unlikely. For the Chinese, they had successfully burned the Vietnamese capitol and returned home. Your premises are a bit dodgy. Australia joins US to prepare for ‘worst-case’ war training at Cope North 2021. Comments should be topical and considered. Countries that feel mistreated by the United States may support China in order to challenge the status quo. My video here goes into far greater detail. China has a decent arms development. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Gone. Also, the way that Hollywood protects the Chinese government because of its movie distribution deals? Geopolitics is focused on the relationship between politics and territory. (of the other) A possibility is that a 3rd large power could reap the benefits of a weakened US or China such Russia. the US quote simply has the best military in the world. They have made some really interesting choices in places like Africa. The constitution has been modified many times. It indicates the ability to send an email. The thing is, China and the US are both allies in many respects are allies and adversaries, this puts them in some form of cold war, more akin to asymmetrical economic war, but at the same time they can't hurt each other so much that it hurts themselves either. It was a misconception or intentional misleading. Everyone in the world would learn exactly what that government is about, and it wouldn't even have to be propaganda - just straight journalism would sink them in the eyes of the world if the message were backed by money and power. Hawaii, Korea, Japan, Taiwan all burned to the ground. If the question is "Bakers of reddit..." and you're not a baker, your comment will be removed. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. So how does this best military keep losing wars they start? Edit: After reading the posts in the thread, I would like to say it is impossible to guess which alliance will be honored and which will be broken. How the Gods Made Britain’s Prime Minister Mad, by Martin Sieff April 6, 2021; War with China? Source? You can buy whatever train ticket you like and your child's education depends on the Hukou still. You seem to underestimate the short term impact of losing almost all of your import goods. Robert Gore. It's called sesame credit created by Alibaba, but as much as people hype it up to be "black mirror like", it hasn't been implemented and no one knows when or even if it will be. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Apr 6, 2021, 10:51am EDT. Both are extremely influential in their own hemispheres and neither would likely be able to occupy such a large amount of territory. This isn't news. I believe in many respects both sides would be losers. In a broader sense, geopolitics studies the general relations between countries on a global scale. With Beijing continuing to tighten an iron grip on Hong Kong, engaging in deadly skirmishes with India along their shared border and routinely bullying its smaller neighbors in the South China Sea, the Biden administration recently announced a new Pentagon task force to review U.S. defense policy toward China, to be headed by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. The United States did not have an "overabundance of people" before World War 2. April 8, 2021 After convincing itself Vietnam would grant it access for missile bases against China, the Pentagon got a hard dose of reality. When the Pentagon began gearing up for a future war with China in 2018, Defense Department officials quickly realized that they needed access to Vietnamese territory for troops armed with missiles to hit Chinese ships in a US-China conflict. Every 'provocation' or 'incentive' was amped up to eleven and lathered with real ideological rivalries yet the US and the USSR never went into direct war with each other despite all the blusters and the hawks predicting armageddon. Meanwhile China presses forward regardless of the devastating losses suffered by the PLAN from LRASMs and USN Attack Subs. — Financial Times (@FT) April 1, 2021. Yet, they cannot build a better army. Every war since then has had the foes either bombed to pieces prior to the campaign, nowhere near the same tech level or where faced off against a coalition of forces including the US. Be my guest. The US could close the Strait of Hormuz, if they wanted to; they certainly can close the Strait of Malacca, cutting China off from the source of their oil. If for some reason the US and China came to blows would it actually be very surprising if China won given their insane population and other advantages in the rough? However, both countries do have nuclear weapons, so not adhering to international law (Non-proliferation), I'd say everyone loses. Thanks for your cooperation and enjoy the discussion! China is not the world's economic engine, anymore than Saudi Arabia with all its riches. The communist Chinese have engaged in case after case of industrial espionage, they are building militarized islands in the South China Sea, the Chinese Navy and Air Force harass Taiwan and Japan, and China’s leader has made threatening remarks about Taiwan. Actually no, Taiwan claims more of the Gulf of Tonkin than the PRC due to the difference between the 11-dash line and the 9-dash line. NPR's Audie Cornish speaks with Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo about steel and aluminum tariffs and the trade war with China that the Biden administration has inherited. Thucydides Trap is not about the incentives to PRETEND they want war that led to escalation, but the inevitability of the rising power that will engaged in war against the reigning hegemon. Gone. The relationship between the United States and China will be a central issue for Joe Biden's presidency, Alexander Görlach writes. This statement is unprovable. China, because they happen to have stable alliances with many Eastern nations, (India, Russia). I don't want to seem my videos too much here (I already post them quite a bit), but I appreciate anyone who posts them. 127 members in the SinoDiscussion community. The Syrian Civil War, which began in 2011, is the second-deadliest war of the 21st century. They have alliances with Russia and India. The US by far outspends all countries in terms of military budget, yet cannot destroy ISIS. According to Taiwan’s Foreign Minister Joseph Wu “the Chinese authoritarian leaders may find Taiwan as a convenient scapegoat. And I'm sure those Chinese troops are super well trained and disciplined having not fought a war in 30 years. If China thought they had a chance to win a war, it would already be happening. And as i saw your other videos as well i think you should post them here on Reddit a bit more often as they have a high quality regarding their content. This is … There is no scenario in which China fights the United States and wins. I replied one of those reddit posts two years ago, and the reply may needs some updates on details, but it still stands today. Thanks so much! They have been told to expect a better future, and if instead they are given horror and misery, there would be consequences for the state. Yet each has powerful incentives to pretend that they do want war, which could create escalation. Chilling World War III 'wargames' show US forces crushed by Russia and China. The US doesn't have 'the best' military in the world. War with NATO (you can't just be at war with US: It's the US + Canada + Europe) would obliterate most of the Chinese economy instantly without a single shot fired. War with NATO (you can't just be at war with US: It's the US + Canada + Europe) would obliterate most of the Chinese economy instantly without a single shot fired. Want to talk about your latest prepping endeavors? China-India are stable allies and NATO is shaky? is that a reference to the Hukuo system? The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Short of these two initiatives that would short-circuit these complex dynamics, the … America and China give up and call it a day. By that same logic, the US would suddenly lose everything they import from China. 2021-04-09T13:16:51Z The letter F. An envelope. Holy shit, if you think the PLA is highly trained and disciplined, I have a piece of property on the moon to sell you. China is allied with Russia, it would just be cold war part 2. One inaccuracy - Taiwan's claim and China's claim in the SCS are almost identical, not as much different as shown in the clip. What would the United States wish to achieve by fighting the Chinese? all the south asian countries would team up with the us, (japan, south korea, taiwan, philippines, malaysia, vietname, prob thailand, indonesia) Nato, canada. EDIT- Took literally less than a minute to hit reddit hell. Opinion Opinion: Will Joe Biden go to war with China for Taiwan? Furthermore, its people are not as stupid as some may think, and would not just die for the criminals who lord over them in Beijing. Submission Statement: countries decide to go to war for strategic reasons. Here we analyse local events in terms of the bigger, global picture. By that same logic, the US would suddenly lose everything they import from China. Everyone in between China and California completely demolished. r/AskReddit is the place to ask and answer thought-provoking questions. Feedback is welcome. China is not the world's economic engine, anymore than Saudi Arabia with all its riches. The war is an ongoing conflict between the Ba'athist Syrian Arab Republic led by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, domestic and foreign allies, and various domestic and foreign forces opposing both the Syrian government and each other varying combinations. Drafting cleantech to fight China could help sell voters, but endangers his climate goals. The western media already is exposing corruption where it can, be it in Russia, China or India. The United States might not have won its long cold war with China… Go ahead. Better buy all those troops some swim trunks and walking shoes. Also you explained Xi's goals and ambitions and the political situation in China perfectly . This gives China leverage when doing things it wants. By then, China will have to send an ultimatum to Taiwan, demanding the Taiwanese to choose the resolution of peaceful unification (the most preferred epilogue for the Chinese) or war (an option forced to be so) by 2025. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. May make a video if I find enough interesting stuff to talk about. Recent Posts. I know the people here like to shit on Trump, to the point if the US or Trump is mentioned I have quit reading the comments because it is usually "durr hurr Trump is an idiot", which is quite the opposite of high level discussion - but I think it was pretty smart in terms of long term strategy to keep the balance of power with China. Well, the US isn't going to war with Russia, even when it has actively sabotaged the election process which can be considered an act of war, so what does that say? The same news is on r/worldnews every once a while, for at least the last 2 years. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. During the last two years, China's credit system did not turn into the disaster these people once predicted. The president title is mainly a figurehead, party leader is where most of the "real power lies". All top-level replies need to be from someone who is in the group the question was asked to. are so imperative to China. China Sends More Jets; Taiwan Says It Will Fight to the End if There's War By Reuters , Wire Service Content April 7, 2021 By Reuters , Wire Service Content April 7, 2021, at 1:27 a.m. sure russia has more tanks, but its not as effective as aircraft. How do I know? Please keep in mind that the OP of this thread has chosen to mark this post with the [Serious] replies only tag, therefore any replies that are jokes, puns, off-topic, or are otherwise non-contributory will be removed. Although there are scenarios where it fights and nobody wins. r/ww3: Want to share your dank memes? The premise in the video was unfortunately wrong. The reality is usually the Chinese are pretty forward looking with its policies compared to the US election cycle, especially now the president being defacto president for them for the foreseeable future. According to research organization RAND, should a major conflict arise in Russia and China… Every country around it is at best wary about it, if not openly antagonistic. Chinese industry is almost entirely fueled by external demand. For the Vietnamese, they had successfully fought and removed a much larger enemy from their home territory. What could they threaten in return? heavily sanctioned/exploited countries). Disclaimer: not an expert, just like to think. In other words, it would be alone. Also new technology like the EMP beam that will shut down any electronics in its beam. But China and the U.S. both have a lot to lose from war, so it would seem unlikely. A very good video i realy enjoyed that you talked about the economical side of things and also that you presented the real intrest of China in North Korea. Would india actually help China? I replied one of those reddit posts two years ago, and the reply may needs some updates on details, but it still stands today. We had the same continental territory in the lower 48 states as today, but we had a third of the people in 1940 that we have today. Does China have a huge motive to fight the US outside of just pushing us outside of Asia? By comparison, the US has the shaky alliance with Europe, meaning it could go either way. If the escalation leads to a war then two main cases would arise - 1.} Shut off the spigot of cheap plastic crap exported to Walmart, for the few months it would take to set up cheap plastic crap factories in any other low-wage country? If events in the South China Sea lead to war, the US can probably … An island that lies inside Taiwan's territory is seen on February 4, 2021 off the coast of Lieyu, an outlying island of Kinmen that is the closest point between Taiwan and China. Which is why I think Trumps move to put trade tariffs on steel/aluminum is not a measure of short term economic gain, but purposely directed to bring back the underlying manufacturing to secure long term military capability should there ever be a war with China. I'm not sure how people still talk about the 'inevitability' of war between nuclear powers in an academic setting when we have the entire history of the Cold War behind us. by Fred Reed April 6, 2021; The Last Link, by The Zman April 6, 2021; SAVE AMERICA: Trump Calls on Patriots to Boycott Companies that Hate Them, by Gen Z Conservative April 6, 2021; Voltswagen vs. Volkswagen, by Eric Peters April 6, 2021 Setting up backup factories is very time consuming and expensive, meaning that while this is happening the US is missing essential import products. Through geopolitics we attempt to analyze and predict the actions and decisions of nations, or other forms of political power, by means of their geographical characteristics and location in the world. then just russia and china, we have far more advanced technology, and more guns, chinas economy would collapse fast without exports, we also have more nukes and nuke technology. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the geopolitics community. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. Yep, it is actually ROC's claim that the current ROC government in Taiwan inherited. Any war stemming from disputes in the East China Sea will necessarily involve Japan. This is why most chinese presidents have more than one title. The Cold War was the most 'inevitable' war in modern history, far surpassing any modern geopolitical disagreements, yet it never came to fruition. Just like China would lose all the US orders, so would the US and NATO lose almost everything they need. And someone is spreading the misinformation, very consistently. They lost in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and pretty much every single military conflict they were involved in since 1945. Also, the way that Hollywood protects the Chinese government because of its movie distribution deals? Eh, I'm confident Nato would probably pull through for the US. we also outrank every country with aircraft and boats. What would China's objectives be in a war with the United States? One-child policy has been changed to a two-child one for a while now. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The concerns about the potential action come after a tense meeting between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and his Chinese counterparts, in which China accused America of “slaughtering” black Americans and having no … It is universally hostile and crudely corrupt. For example, in the Sino-Vietnamese War, both sides claimed victory because both sides had achieved their objectives. America’s new Cold War with China is heating up. New Subs Need Biden To Boost Navy’s Broken Public Shipyards. Russia would but I didn't think India would. Kind of a toss up. Guerrilla warfare has really changed fighting. Is war with Russia inevitable? It's on my list for research. Everyone in the world would learn exactly what that government is about, and it wouldn't even have to be propaganda - just straight journalism would sink them in the eyes of the world if the message were backed by money and power. There's also no evidence that Germany was suffering from population pressure before it invaded its neighbors. If you don't fall within the scope the question is directed to, please do not reply to the question as your comment will be removed. If you see others posting comments that violate this tag, please report them to the mods! Pentagon war planners can envision a conflict with China starting in any number of ways. The US troops probably have better equipment, but at this point, no longer have the same level of training they used to. Chinese industry is almost entirely fueled by external demand. Yet each has powerful incentives to pretend that they do want war, which could create escalation. Its not really a contest. What could they threaten in return? China must work out a strategy to unify Taiwan within the next ten years, that is, by 2020. Shut off the spigot of cheap plastic crap exported to Walmart, for the few months it would take to set up cheap plastic crap factories in any other low-wage country? I actually think it belongs to one of the fake news category. You forget America has not gone up against a proper military force since the Korean War. Single nation on single nation, there is little you can do to compensate for the severe lack of manpower that the US has. You can't fight a war with someone who holds your resource production. Introduction. They are indeed wealthy, but they have no allies and no one likes their government at all. They are indeed wealthy, but they have no allies and no one likes their government at all. War with NATO (you can't just be at war with US: It's the US + Canada + Europe) would obliterate most of the Chinese economy instantly without a single shot fired. I have never heard of. Chinese units are highly disciplined, trained and equipped. It struck me the other day that China has a recipe to become the next world power or at least it seems. I'm impressed. If we're talking about war that adheres to international laws, I'd say probably US, simply because its military expenditures and technologies would probably destroy the Chinese military considering it spends 3 times more than China does. This is called Thucydides Trap, coined by professor Graham Allison. And China could still continue to export to every country that's not NATO or US. China has a overabundance of people (like the US pre-WW2), a quickly expanding and already massive industrial sector(like the US pre-WW2), They are also very wealthy. (E.g. ... 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